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  • 04 Jun 2015 9:53 AM
    Message # 3375042

    As most of you know I've been purchasing, rehabbing, selling & holding single family homes some time now. I have a new project! I've just purchased my first historical property in Fort Worth Texas and I'm seeking input from anyone that would like to help. This property was built in 1905. Although I am aloud to initiate any upgrades/modifications to the interior, the Fairmount Historic District requires that the exterior is to remain as originally designed. My question is: If you purchased a historical property as an investor, would you completely modernize the interior with a cool modern contemporary design or would you restore the interior to its vintage era? I plan on refurbishing for resale. I would really like to get feedback on this! Please help me with this important decision. Thanks! If you would like to look at pictures there are a few on our ElvisBuysHouses Facebook page. Please LIKE our page if you visit. Thanks and I really need your input :)

  • 04 Jun 2015 7:30 PM
    Reply # 3375585 on 3375042
    Deleted user

    Steve,

    I think this is an interesting dilemma… I have to look at this taking my New England Housing Partners hat off and realize that we’re talking about Ft. Worth… My take is as follows:

    • 1.     What is your goal? If this is strictly business for you and you simply want to flip the home (get in, get it sold, get paid, and move on) then you modernize it… Why? Because you cater to a wider array of buyers and you will have no problem finding the appropriate materials/interior to rehab the home… You get it done and get it sold!  Vintage will not have as many buyers, and would probably stay on the market longer. 

    • 2.     Resources- this is Texas, not New England…. You would have zero problem rehabbing this vintage home in New England, but Texas may be a different story… You’re (potentially) limited on what you can do…. You can’t simply say “this is my vision, and I’m going to go out and do it”… It may be a little more difficult here (however, I’ve never rehabbed a home this old in Texas so I could be wrong)…

    • 3.     ROI- If you’re truly evaluating your options, find out what your ROI would look like for doing this in this historic area… If you did vintage how would that influence your asking price?

    • 4.     Due diligence/Homework- Google search this historic area; see what’s going on in that area… Walk the district and do some door knocking. What do other homes in the area look like? Get to know the neighborhood some and potentially ask some of the neighbors for input. It’s their area, who best to get input from than the people who live there.  

    Although I mostly listed cons above, If I were personally doing this, there is no question that I would go full vintage…. I rehabbed a very old home in southern Connecticut and it was a VERY cool project! I think that something like this in Fort Worth is neat and different. People will appreciate the effort that you went to, to preserve the period... It would also be something that you can add to your portfolio of completed rehabbed homes (potentially adding it to your website)… 


    Thoughts?


    Brian R. Baker, MBA

    Texas Housing Partners LLC

    New England Housing Partners LLC

    brian@texashousingpartners.com


  • 05 Jun 2015 8:51 AM
    Reply # 3376324 on 3375042

    My response assumes that you hope to rehab/sell the property.

    I would rehab the property to meet the needs and wants of the largest potential pool of buyers. I believe that would be to upgrade the interior and systems to todays standards and conveniences while leaving the existing detail work such as trim, scroll work, door hardware, staircase. If the property lacked these items I would tastefully add them in a period correct manner. Farm sink in the kitchen and a free standing bath tub would be great additions that would fit the period and today's design. If the original floor plan will remain, you will need to strike a delicate balance between bedroom and closet size.

    Confirm whatever you plan to do by surveying other rehabbed properties in the Fairmont District to determine market needs.

  • 05 Jun 2015 12:18 PM
    Reply # 3376672 on 3375042
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    Hey Steve,

    Congrats on your next challenge.  :)

    I don't know how widespread my opinion is, so I wouldn't base decisions on it.  Instead, if this were my property, I'd pull comps to get the names of listing agents who have sold historic houses in the vicinity and I'd take a couple of them out to lunch and pick their brains to learn what buyers expect in this neighborhood.

    My comps would go back a couple years and include Active comps since my goal would be to see which listing agents are most active in the neighborhood.  The ones with the most listings are the ones I'd want to talk to.  If that didn't work, I'd drive around looking at For Sale signs, call and ask how many historic sales each agent has under their belt, and take a couple of the experienced ones out to lunch.

    If this suggestion proves to be of value, I wouldn't mind a tour of the property when it's ready to hit the market.  :)  It sounds interesting.  Drop me a line.  

    Good luck!

    David 


  • 05 Jun 2015 10:22 PM
    Reply # 3377139 on 3375042

    Jeff Inman at Coldwell Banker in Fort Worth does a lot of work in that neighborhood.  You might try giving him a call to get his opinion.

  • 05 Jun 2015 11:14 PM
    Reply # 3377158 on 3375042
    Brian Baker thank you for the very well thought out reply. I've lived in NE for seven yrs myself. Boston area for four and Manchester NH for three so I can hear you loud and clear. Your spot on regarding your comments about resource availability in Texas. 

    I do plan on flipping this property. I've looked at all the comparable properties within the historical district and was quite surprised to find that the highest dollar properties were refurbished as vintage, but only a few. The remainder of the refurbished properties had average or almost rental grade rehabs. That being said I've made the decision to install contemporary kitchen and baths as I believe that will appeal to the young professionals within the medical district. The remainder of the property will retain it's vintage character.

    Pricing - Currently there are sold & listed properties within the district within MLS between $165/sf and $175/sf. Prices are skyrocketing there so I'm hedging that I'll get top dollar for this one. It will likely take me six months to complete this project mostly due to the bureaucracy and waiting game that I anticipate taking place with the historical district... at least that's my budgeted allotment of time. I'll be converting the attic to livable space therefore i should gain another 400 sf helping price even further. 

    Brian we should get together at some point and chat since we have some common interests! Thanks so much for your excellent input!


  • 05 Jun 2015 11:16 PM
    Reply # 3377159 on 3375042

    Dave - I appreciate your input regarding the Realtors! Thank you!

  • 05 Jun 2015 11:18 PM
    Reply # 3377160 on 3375042

    Bruce thanks for the contact! I will seek Jeff's input. Thanks again!

  • 05 Jun 2015 11:24 PM
    Reply # 3377161 on 3375042

    Howard - Great input as well.. Very helpful! I'm very much leaning towards a high end contemporary kitchen & bath design. The rest of the house will be restored to it's 1905 vintage state. I've provided more detail in my response to Brian Baker. Thanks much Howard!

    Steve


  • 06 Jun 2015 8:44 AM
    Reply # 3377400 on 3375042
    Deleted user

    Steve,

    Fairmount is an interesting beast. It's littered w investors who made the wrong choices and lost their ... Assets. Do yourself a favor and call Amy Rainey (817) 287-9757. She is a Realtor that specializes in that market, has lived there for many years, has helped other investors over there make big money and is currently selling a rehab she did that'll net her good money. 

    If you need more help, call me. 

    Greg

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