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Re deed properties into LLC?

  • 10 Nov 2015 11:31 AM
    Message # 3626656

     Outside of the liability protection of an LLC, is there a tax advantage or any other advantage  to re deeding property into an LLC? 

  • 10 Nov 2015 12:15 PM
    Reply # 3626698 on 3626656
    Deleted user

    Hi,

    For your tax question, yes there is the avoidance of double taxation and the "Pass-through" taxation.... As far as whether or not you should put your properties in an LLC is not an easy question AT ALL because it really depends on what type of property you have and what your goal is... I put EVERYTHING in LLC's, but that is NOT necessarily what you should do, and we may not have an apples-to-apples comparison to work from (your niche and goals may be way outside of the somewhat narrow scope of business that I do)... Most people probably don't do what I do with regard to LLC's so I'm curious to see how people respond here.

    My suggestion is to heavily research online in addition to what people on here may advise you to do.

    Brian R. Baker, MBA  

    Last modified: 10 Nov 2015 12:16 PM | Deleted user
  • 10 Nov 2015 8:37 PM
    Reply # 3627346 on 3626656
    Deleted user

    Look into Land Trusts.  My favorite but not only way I have properties held.

    http://www.lonestarlandlaw.com/Texas-Land.html 

  • 10 Nov 2015 10:59 PM
    Reply # 3627431 on 3626656
    Robin Carriger (Administrator)
    • LLCs do offer some flexibility in the way you're taxed, and, depending on your particular situation, that can be advantageous.  I'll leave it to a tax professional to give more details on that.
    • If you'd ever like to leverage the equity in a property via a HELOC, it will very likely be more difficult to do if your property is titled in any other name than your own.  Lenders don't want you to have any protection for the asset you put up as collateral for the loans they give you.  Asset protection is vital, and so is financing.  It's possible to have both, but you have to work at it.
  • 11 Nov 2015 7:17 AM
    Reply # 3628507 on 3626656

    Brian, I have a couple houses, my strategy is to buy and hold.  I am seeking to buy more in the future, I don't plan to pull equity out.

  • 11 Nov 2015 8:25 AM
    Reply # 3628582 on 3626656

    Rocky,  that link is very resourceful, thank you

  • 11 Nov 2015 8:47 AM
    Reply # 3628602 on 3626656

    As an investor who is buying and holding, look into the Texas series LLC. It allows you to separate your assets but only requires you to form on LLC. There are many other aspects to this type of entity, you should seek legal counsel. Also, the Texas Series LLC has been around since 2009 and though the statute is clear about the type of protection they offer, they haven't yet been tested in the courts. 

  • 11 Nov 2015 9:44 AM
    Reply # 3628708 on 3626656
    Deleted user

    Milton, you hit that right on the head.... I do separate LLC's and don't trust the Series LLC, but when asked "why don't you trust the Series LLC" I have nothing concrete that I can point to in Texas where a Series LLC has failed.... Essentially to date, it seems like a Series LLC in Texas is fine and really has not been tested (to your point Milton)...

    My concern is that the Series LLC may not hold up one day (it may eventually get tested which may set a precedent) and having separate LLC's for everything in different states is the ultimate protection.... I also don't stick to the Delaware, Wyoming, Navada (and Texas) states either (due to my "paranoia") .... While it is expensive and laborious to manage, and many people have told me that "I'm wasting money" which I probably am, I like the peace of mind that this brings me though, but to each their own, and I wouldn't do this until you have established yourself....

    Brian R. Baker, MBA

    Texas Housing Partners LLC.

  • 11 Nov 2015 10:17 PM
    Reply # 3629488 on 3626656

    It's usually a good idea to have your properties titled in the name of an LLC or other protected entity, but I especially like LLC's for their tax advantages as well as flexibility.   

    If you only want the legal protection of the LLC, but do not care about the tax advantages of corporate status, you can setup your LLC as a single-member (one owner) LLC.  By doing this it can be considered to be a disregarded entity by the IRS.  This means that the information can be reported on your personal tax return and you can avoid having to file an additional Corporate or Partnership Tax Return.  Not having to file separate tax returns saves you money in administrative costs and tax preparation fees. 

    In Texas, since it is a community property state, husbands and wives can elect to have their jointly owned LLC treated as if it a single-member LLC also.  Husband and wives have the flexibility of choosing partnership status if that is preferable, but they are not forced into it. You have to be careful about electing partnership status, because a separate partnership tax return (Form 1065) usually has to be filed, and there can be substantial penalties if the returns are filed late. 

    FYI, the filing deadline for partnership tax returns is being moved up to March 15 from April 15 in March, 2016, so some partnership tax filers will get caught with late filing penalties if they are not aware of this tax law change.  

    Situations like this are examples of why it is usually beneficial to hire a tax preparer who keeps up with the tax law changes, so that you can avoid unpleasant surprises.   

    Often there are tax advantages of having the LLC make an election to have it taxed as an S-Corporation or  C-Corporation instead.  Then, after electing this status, it later turns out that this status is no beneficial or needed, you can switch back to disregarded status.  There are, of course, limitations on how often you can do this.

    The bottom line is this:  The flexibility of LLC's is wonderful!  They allow you to select which type of tax treatment gives you the most tax savings simply by making the proper tax elections.  The potential for savings here can be enormous.  

    Don McCartney,CPA

    "The Real Estate Accountant"  

  • 15 Nov 2015 12:02 PM
    Reply # 3634706 on 3626656
    Deleted user

    Great Info Don! Thanks for your perspective here....

    Brian R. Baker, MBA

    Last modified: 18 Nov 2015 12:09 AM | Robin Carriger (Administrator)
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